Jean Lucien Pinta

Jean Lucien Pinta was the 7th child of Jean Baptiste and Luce, was born 24 July 1813 and baptized at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans on 19 March 1814.  Little is known about this child because he died at the age of 2, and was buried 26 July 1815, according to St. Louis Cathedral records. 

Jean Claude Foloe Pinta

Well Jean Claude Pinta, you have really confused me!  And the rest of you will also be confused if I can explain the full scope of the conflicting documentation.  So the pressure is on.....  

1.   BIRTH/BAPTISMAL RECORD:

• Jean Claude was the sixth child of Jean Baptiste and Luce and was born about 1809-1811 based on his age found on various pieces of evidence.  However, I can't find a baptismal record for him, even though Louis Henry, Juan Marcelino and Marie Josephine had their baptismal records listed in Vol 10 of the Sacramental Records for the Archdiocese of New Orleans for 1810-1812. Jean Lucien is found on Vol 11 for 1813-1815.  A friend checked Vol 9 1807-1809 and found nothing for Jean Claude.  If he was baptized 1809-1811 we could assume his baptism would be listed in one of those volumes.

• The will of Jean Baptiste in 1820, lists his son, Claude age 9 and there was no mention of a son named Juan/Jean Marcelino. 

• The recorder of the baptism of Juan Marcelino, Archdiocese of New Orleans, listed his name incorrectly because the priest was probably Spanish and changed his French “Jean” to Spanish “Juan”.  If the priest made this error on the name, is there another error? 

• Juan Marcelino could have died very young and perhaps we have not yet located a death record.  Was Jean Claude baptized elsewhere?  Not likely.  Did the baptism of Jean Claude get overlooked when the Archdiocese volumes were produced?  OR could Juan Marcelino be Jean Claude?                                                       

     2)  RELATIONSHIPS/MARRIAGES

• Jean Clode Foloe Pinta married Margueritte Colin, 28 October 1828 in Mobile.  (Jean Claude would have been age 17-19).  No known children from this marriage.

• According to Abstracts of Orphans Court Minutes of Mobile Co, entered July 24, 1830:  John Glode Foloe PINTA produces will of TROUILLET, Margaritte, deceased, his wife.   Guardians were appointed for Emeline TROUILLET alias Emeline PINTA, infant under 14 years; and Henry TROUILLET alias PINTA, under 14.  Will book 1 states:  Margaritte Trouillet, a free woman of colour……..unto my two children, Emeline, who is aged about eight years and Louis Henry, my son aged about nine months, and to my friend Toloe? Pinta, who is the father of my two before mentioned children. The is contradictory in that the first record states they are married but the later insinuates they are not married, but Jean Claude is the father of her children. (He would have been age 11-13 at the birth of Emeline and age 18-20 when Louis Henry was born.)  Perhaps he really wasn’t the father of Emeline.  Was TROUILLET his concubine?  He just married COLIN a year before the birth of Louis Henry?   

• Married Marie Victoria Raby 2 December 1833.  They had five children between 1834 and 1843.

• Is Margueritte Colin and Margaritte Trouillet the same person?   

Jean Claude died the same day as Nicholas, his son with Marie Victorie Rabby, on 22 September 1852.  Cause of death has not been located for either Nicholas or Jean Claude.

Are there two Jean Claude Foloe Pinta men in the area, about the same age, with similar names?

Lots of questions and the documentation we have is unclear.  This is a great deal of info for one posting.  More research needs to be done to get this all straightened out.  So, are you now as confused as I?  Let me know what you think!

Marie Josephine Pinta

Marie Josephine Pinta was the fifth child of Jean Baptist Pinta and Luce Grandmaison.  She was born on 31 August 1810 and baptized 12 Feb 1811 at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans, LA.  There is no other information located, yet, about her short life, except that at the age of 5 she was buried on 22 September 1815 at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans.  Seems New Orleans had a high mortality rate due to the summer heat and humidity which made it a perfect climate for mosquitoes.  Possibly Marie Josephine died of yellow fever or cholera, which plagued the city for years.

Juan Marcelino Pinta

Juan Marcelino Pinta was JB Pinta and Luce Grandmaison's 4th child.  He was born 1 August 1809  and baptized 20 October 1810 at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans, Louisiana.  Little is known about Juan Marcelino at this point.  The 1820 census for NOLA lists Miss Pinta on St. Anne Street as head of household, showing 3 free colored males under the age of 14.  We can assume it was probably Juan and two siblings, Jean Claude & Joseph.  There has been no further documentation found on his life and the will of Jean Baptiste Pinta does not name JC as one of the children.  Perhaps he had already died by the time JB's will was written in 1820.

Louis Henry Pholoe Pinta

The third known child of Jean Baptiste Pinta and Luce Henriette Grandmaison was Louis Henry Pholoe Pinta.  He was born 1 August 1807 in Santiago de Cuba and baptized 20 October 1810 at St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans, Louisiana.  Louis Henry was baptized the same day as two other siblings:  Silvanie Anne and Juan Marcelino.

He went by the name of Henry throughout his life.  Has anyone heard of the name of Pholoe?  One of Henry's younger brothers was also given the same middle name, Jean Claude Pholoe Pinta.  Is this a common name of the time, did the family have a special reason to give two of their children the same middle name, or is it a title of some type?  Families often named their children the same middle name in honor of an ancestor, but at this point we have not found any ancestors named Pholoe. 

Louis Henry married Louise Etienne Jamet (unknown date) and they had one known child, Henry, who was born about 1836.  Records show that Louis Henry owned slaves and in 1847 his widow pleaded for emancipation of her slave Erlne.

Louis Henry died 26 May 1836, at the age of 30, and is buried in St. Louis Cathedral Cemetery #2 in New Orleans, Louisiana. 

What is the Gery/Jeury/Seury in some of the Pinta documents?

Most of the numerous documents I have collected with JB's name show him as Jean Baptist Pinta or J. B. Pinta.  He seems to only sign his name as J. B. Pinta.  However, the following documents show the addition of another name which has been confusing.   Is it a title, a family name, an indication of an area in which he lived or what?  Why would it been used sometimes and not all the time?  Perhaps some of you may have an opinion on this.  Please leave your comments.

1)      Archives nationales d'outri-mer website (1803):  Birth record of Anne Joseph Brunet, witness/sponsor: Jean Baptiste Gery Pinta.  As you can see in the scanned copy, when he signed his name he did not include the name Gery.  This document has not been completely translated.

2)      Sacramental Records of the Roman Catholic Church of the Archdiocese of New Orleans, Vol 10, 1810-12 (this book is transcribed from original documents, but I have not seen the original document):  

PINTA [JEURY, JEURY PINTA] Henri (Jean Baptiste, merchant goldsmith, jeweller, and Lucece Henriette GRANDMAISON, residents of Port-au-Prince on Santo Domingo), b. Oct. 20, 1810, bn. Aug. 1, 1807, at Santiago de Cuba, s. Henri St. Jeme, French lieutenant colonel, resident in this city, and Louise Henriette LEG(D?)IER, sp. Pi(err?) DESNOU, merchant, presently in (*), absent, p. Anne JEURY PINTA, child's sister, resident of this city (SLC, B22, 100).

 3)     Sacramental Records of the Roman Catholic church of the Archdiocese of New Orleans, Vol 12, 1816-17, transcription is as printed in Archdiocese records publication and I have attached the original scanned copy below:

PINTA, Joseph (Juan Bautista Seury, native of Clamecy, Diocese of Soissons in France (Clamecy, dept. of Aisne, arrondissement of Soissons), and Luz Hanrrieta GRANDE MAISON, native of Port-au-Prince on Santo Domingo, both residents of this city), b. Sep. 30, 1816, bn. Jun. 22, 1816, pgp. Luis PINTA and Maria Durna FERTE, mgp. (o), s. Victor Amadeo CARLOMAGNO and Juana FLAYOZE (SLC, B29, 71)

Jean Louis David Desire Rasteau, brother of Modeste Rasteau

Archives nationales d'outre-mer, 1765 births, image 85 & 86

This document has not been translated, however, in my limited knowledge of the French language, I believe this is the baptismal record of Jean Louis David Desire Rasteau, son of Marie Louise Debrosse and brother to Modeste Rasteau and Lucrecia Rasteau.  If anyone can translate, it would be wonderful!

Luce Henriette Baptismal Record, daughter of Modeste Rasteau 1787

 Archives nationales d'outre-mer website

This is the baptismal record for Luce Henriette Tieraronne/Tieruranne, daughter of Modeste Rasteau, baptized 20 Mar 1787.  Is this ours?  One would assume so because Luce Henriette's death record also indicates her mother was Modeste Rasteau & she was 51 when she died.  The baptismal record lists the Godparents as Jacques Cameau & Luce Rasteau, and states that Luce Rasteau is the aunt of the child.    Note:  Jacques Cameau & Luce Rasteau had two children together, Marseille born 1782 & Francois.  The assumption would be that  they were married, but we have no proof yet. Where did the name Tieraronne/Tieruranne come from?  Where does Grandmaison connect?  Can anyone translate this record?  I have gleaned dates & names with my limited French.  If anyone sees any errors or can shine new light on this, please let me know.