Jean Claude Foloe Pinta

Well Jean Claude Pinta, you have really confused me!  And the rest of you will also be confused if I can explain the full scope of the conflicting documentation.  So the pressure is on.....  

1.   BIRTH/BAPTISMAL RECORD:

• Jean Claude was the sixth child of Jean Baptiste and Luce and was born about 1809-1811 based on his age found on various pieces of evidence.  However, I can't find a baptismal record for him, even though Louis Henry, Juan Marcelino and Marie Josephine had their baptismal records listed in Vol 10 of the Sacramental Records for the Archdiocese of New Orleans for 1810-1812. Jean Lucien is found on Vol 11 for 1813-1815.  A friend checked Vol 9 1807-1809 and found nothing for Jean Claude.  If he was baptized 1809-1811 we could assume his baptism would be listed in one of those volumes.

• The will of Jean Baptiste in 1820, lists his son, Claude age 9 and there was no mention of a son named Juan/Jean Marcelino. 

• The recorder of the baptism of Juan Marcelino, Archdiocese of New Orleans, listed his name incorrectly because the priest was probably Spanish and changed his French “Jean” to Spanish “Juan”.  If the priest made this error on the name, is there another error? 

• Juan Marcelino could have died very young and perhaps we have not yet located a death record.  Was Jean Claude baptized elsewhere?  Not likely.  Did the baptism of Jean Claude get overlooked when the Archdiocese volumes were produced?  OR could Juan Marcelino be Jean Claude?                                                       

     2)  RELATIONSHIPS/MARRIAGES

• Jean Clode Foloe Pinta married Margueritte Colin, 28 October 1828 in Mobile.  (Jean Claude would have been age 17-19).  No known children from this marriage.

• According to Abstracts of Orphans Court Minutes of Mobile Co, entered July 24, 1830:  John Glode Foloe PINTA produces will of TROUILLET, Margaritte, deceased, his wife.   Guardians were appointed for Emeline TROUILLET alias Emeline PINTA, infant under 14 years; and Henry TROUILLET alias PINTA, under 14.  Will book 1 states:  Margaritte Trouillet, a free woman of colour……..unto my two children, Emeline, who is aged about eight years and Louis Henry, my son aged about nine months, and to my friend Toloe? Pinta, who is the father of my two before mentioned children. The is contradictory in that the first record states they are married but the later insinuates they are not married, but Jean Claude is the father of her children. (He would have been age 11-13 at the birth of Emeline and age 18-20 when Louis Henry was born.)  Perhaps he really wasn’t the father of Emeline.  Was TROUILLET his concubine?  He just married COLIN a year before the birth of Louis Henry?   

• Married Marie Victoria Raby 2 December 1833.  They had five children between 1834 and 1843.

• Is Margueritte Colin and Margaritte Trouillet the same person?   

Jean Claude died the same day as Nicholas, his son with Marie Victorie Rabby, on 22 September 1852.  Cause of death has not been located for either Nicholas or Jean Claude.

Are there two Jean Claude Foloe Pinta men in the area, about the same age, with similar names?

Lots of questions and the documentation we have is unclear.  This is a great deal of info for one posting.  More research needs to be done to get this all straightened out.  So, are you now as confused as I?  Let me know what you think!

Marriage document and transcription for Joseph & Julia

Church Records, 1704-1996, Catholic Church, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, Mobile, AL. Microfilm of original records in Archdiocese of Mobile, Mobile, AL, Filmed by Genealogical Society of Utah 1996, available through Family History Center, www.familysearch.org.  Film #2047323, Marriages-black 1830-1860:

Anno Domini 1837

No. 28

Joseph Pinta

Julie Rabby

January 5^th, 1837

In the year of our Lord one thousand eight

hundred & thirty seven & on the fifth day of

January, I the undersigned vicar general of the

C. C. Bishop, of Mobile certify that I have

joined together in the holy bond of matrimony

Joseph Pinta with Julie Rabby free colored

persons native of this country.  the dispensations for

the publication of the three bans has been granted,

the license had been obtained from the court &

two witnesses were present. In faith whereof I have

signed.

                                    M. Loras

(Note:  this is the only marriage listed in 1837 in black marriages)

What is your New Year's resolution?

Do you have a New Year's Resolution?  How about making a genealogy New Year's Resolution!  What is one thing you want to accomplish this year in your research?  I am working on my goal and considering I have so many genealogy questions, the biggest problem is deciding on just one resolution.

Did our ancestors make New Year's resolutions?  Did they have a glass of champagne & kiss at midnight?  Maybe---maybe not!

1 January 1837 must have been a time of anticipation for Joseph Pinta and Julia Rabby...they were surely thinking about their future together.  They were married on 5 January 1837 at the Cathedral of Immaculate Conception Catholic Church in Mobile, Alabama by Mathias Loras, Vicar General.  An interesting note is that it was on a Thursday.  Why Thursday?  Was Julia pregnant?  However, their first known child, Victoria, was born on 3 December 1837.  Did they elope or have a small private ceremony?  Their marriage is listed in the Book of Black Marriages, so were black marriages performed only on certain days of the week?

What do you think?

Julia (Rabby) Pinta Burial Record, St Louis Cathedral, 6 Sept 1886

St Louis Cemeteries 1 & 2 Interment Book 1880-1888

6 Sep 1886, 1st ilet Mme Julie Pinta 71 years, Tomb no 6, 1st allee a droite S. Levant (1st alley on the right facing the rising sun)